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Please Welcome... Randall Ingermanson
What a joy to have Christian author
Randall Ingermanson as
our interview guest at WhereTheMapEnds.com.
Randy and I
have been friends for a number of years. He's funny, painfully smart,
and as whimsical as a child. He's always laughing and always
willing to help someone out.
Randy
is, I'm sure, the only physicist I know. He
holds
a Ph.D. in theoretical physics from UC Berkeley. He is also the author of
six Christian novels, each of which has won some sort of award. Two of his
novels have won Christy awards.
Randy is
the creator of the famous “Snowflake method” of designing a novel, a
method used by many novelists around the world for analyzing and organizing
their story.
He made news in 2007 because of his brilliant
analysis of the weaknesses in the arguments in favor of the so-called
"Jesus Tomb."
He's also something of a Web marketing genius, as you'll
see below.
Randy
lives with his wife and kids in southern Washington.
WhereTheMapEnds:Catch us up with what's
going on in your life.
Randall
Ingermanson: I spent most of 2006 just pulling up stakes from
San
Diego and moving. The housing market went flat just as we
put our house on the market (and the house was in pretty bad shape). So it
took ages to sell the thing and get moved out. We moved to
Washington and bought a house on a couple of acres and got
moved in shortly before Thanksgiving last year.
In the meantime, I’ve been
developing a site for novelists at http://www.AdvancedFictionWriting.com.
This has consumed a lot of effort over the last couple of years. My
Advanced Fiction Writing E-zine has been the world’s largest
e-zine for fiction writers for over a year now, and is continuing to grow
rapidly. I’ve recently launched an Advanced Fiction Writing Blog. And I’ve
been rolling out products for novelists.
I also continue to keep a foot in the technical
world. I do a few hours of consulting per week for a high-technology
company in San Diego: Vala Sciences, Inc. I find it fun (and rewarding) to
do techie stuff.
All of
that has left me little time to actually write fiction, so I’ve had rather
a long sabbatical. It’s been a nice break, but I’m working now
on a proposal for my next novel.
WhereTheMapEnds: And I'm glad to
hear it! What is your favorite
speculative novel of all time (Christian or secular) and why is that
your favorite?
Randall
Ingermanson:I’ve been a big fan of
Lord of the Rings since I first read it in college. I think this choice needs no
explanation.
I’m
also a huge Harry Potter fan, and having just finished reading Book 7, I
have to say that Harry has moved into a dead heat with LOTR. Again, no
explanation could possibly be required. Both of these series are brilliant.
WhereTheMapEnds: What made you
want to write Christian speculative fiction?
Randall Ingermanson: I used to read
fiction in graduate school. It helped to take the pressure off. After
awhile, I decided that I could write fiction at least as well as the
authors I was reading at the time (Robert Ludlum, John LeCarre, Tom
Clancy, etc.) I was also doing a lot of reading in New Testament history
and I thought it would be cool to combine my interests—to write a novel
that showed some of the stuff I was learning about the earliest church in
Jerusalem.
Ultimately, I came up with the idea for a time travel
novel to first-century Jerusalem. This was just crazy enough that nobody had ever
done anything quite like it, but it was just cool enough to succeed.
I should add that my early
optimism about how “easy” it is to write was wildly wrong. I found out
pretty quickly that my writing wasn’t all that good. That motivated me to
try harder. Eventually, after about 12 years of hard work, I broke into
print with my first novel (Transgression), a story about a rogue physicist
who travels back in time to kill the apostle Paul.
WhereTheMapEnds:
How was your first idea for a Christian speculative novel
received (by anyone: spouse, friends, parents, agent, publisher, readers,
reviewers,
etc.)?
Randall Ingermanson: Well, it
won a Christy award, much to the astonishment of everyone in the entire
world of Christian publishing. I was, after all, a nobody and my novel
was a finalist in the same category as a couple of extremely well-known
and talented authors. So nobody expected me to win, least of all me.
Hardly anybody even knew who I was, not even the emcee who slit open the envelope and read my
name.
That
novel has really stood the test of time. It’s out of print, but it’s
available free on my web site and it continues to bring in reader email.
So I’m happy with how it turned out. You
can find out more about it here: http://www.ingermanson.com/books/transgression.php
WhereTheMapEnds:
What is your favorite speculative genre to read? To write? If
they’re
different, talk about that.
Randall Ingermanson: For reading, that’s
hard to say. As noted, two of my favorite series are Lord of the
Rings
and the Harry Potter series. However, I
don’t read a lot of fantasy. I tend to read more suspense, particularly historical suspense.
I really like Ken Follett’s book The Pillars of the Earth,
which is set in 12th century
England and has a slightly supernatural flavor to it. Also,
Wilbur Smith’s books River God and the sequel to the sequel,
Warlock. (The middle book in this series was actually pretty
wretched.) Both of these are set in ancient Egypt
and again have a slightly supernatural flavor to them.
WhereTheMapEnds: How would you
characterize the current state of Christian speculative
fiction writing and/or publishing?
Randall Ingermanson: I would say it
has a long way to go. Somebody somewhere needs to solve the “chicken and egg” problem,
which I would summarize this way:
Christian readers read a lot of speculative fiction,
but they don’t expect to find it in Christian bookstores, so they don’t
shop for it there. Therefore, Christian bookstores don’t stock such
books, because there are no
customers for them.
I don’t know how to break
this logjam. It can be done either by erosion or by dynamite. Here’s what
I mean by that. “Erosion” means slowly building the market by adding a few
new authors per year. “Dynamite” means creating a market from nothing by having
some big name author write a blockbuster
in the genre that suddenly brings in lots of customers.
I am convinced that
eventually the logjam will break. I just can’t predict how or when.
WhereTheMapEnds:
Another option is to bypass the whole Christian publishing
industry altogether, stop trying to get into Christian bookstores, and
create something marvelous primarily through the Web. That's the model
I'm exploring with Marcher
Lord Press. What have you seen that encourages you about Christian
speculative fiction writing and/or publishing?
Randall Ingermanson: When I teach at
writing conferences I talk to the young writers—teen writers and
twenty-something writers. Most of them are writing fantasy or science
fiction. That tells me where the wind is blowing. Eventually, one of
these young kids is going to break out.
Already, we’ve seen some very strong sales in books
for young adults. I’m thinking here of Bryan Davis and Donita K. Paul,
both of whom have written dragon
stories. They’re both doing well.
WhereTheMapEnds:
What have you seen that discourages or frustrates you about
Christian speculative fiction
writing and/or publishing?
Randall
Ingermanson: I have not seen that level of success in the adult
market. It’ll happen, I’m sure. But it’s hard to know when. There are just
not very many champions of speculative fiction inside
Christian publishing, and some of the biggest champions (such as Steve
Laube and you, Jeff) are no longer editing [at publishing houses].
There are some new fantasies just coming out this
year. I’m thinking particularly of Sharon Hinck’s Restorer
series, which you acquired, Jeff,
when you were at NavPress.
I met Sharon years ago at a writing conference and immediately saw
that she was something special. One reason I think she might make inroads
where others haven’t is that her novels' natural audience is right in the
heart of Christian fiction readership—soccer moms.
Sharon’s heroine is a soccer mom, in fact, and begins the story fighting
depression.
WhereTheMapEnds: Yay. Go, Sharon! Okay, Randy, what would you like
to see changed regarding Christian speculative
fiction writing and/or publishing?
Randall Ingermanson: I would like to
see better writing. I would also like to see . . . hmmm, better writing.
And if you’ll give me three wishes, I think my third wish would be to see . .
. BETTER WRITING.
WhereTheMapEnds: Yikes! Seeing
some not-so-great writing lately, I take it? I'm glad people are finding
your snowflake method and my character creation system and tip of the
week column. So what do you think
Christian speculative fiction writing and/or publishing will look like in three
years? Five years? Ten years?
Randall Ingermanson: I think that
eventually, spec fic will explode in the Christian market. But I don’t
know exactly when. Could be next year. Could be ten years from now. But I’m sure it’ll
happen.
WhereTheMapEnds: Or possibly it will explode
in spite of the Christian market and the whole CBA industry will
scramble to get a piece of the action. Oh, well. That's business. What advice would
you give to someone who aspires to write and publish Christian speculative
fiction?
Randall
Ingermanson: Develop excellence in your craft. All the Christian
novelists I know are obsessive about improving their craft. So shoot for
stupendously good writing. If you can also arrange to inherit a few
million from a rich uncle, do so. It’ll take the heat off of you
financially so you can focus on writing well rather than writing for
money.
WhereTheMapEnds: Yeah, that's pretty much my
plan. Got any spare rich uncles lurking about? In the meantime,
what’s the best book or seminar on fiction writing
you know?
Randall Ingermanson: I’ll assume
that’s a leading question to force me to mention my Advanced Fiction
Writing site, where I sell two complete lecture series on writing fiction: Fiction 101 and Fiction 201. Thanks
for twisting my arm, Jeff!
There is complete info on these series here.
I will also mention my absolute favorite book on
writing: Techniques of the Selling Writer
by
Dwight Swain. I learned how to write by reading Swain’s book. Some of my
friends have complained that Swain is boring. I never found him boring,
although I’ll admit that his writing is fairly dense and it takes a lot of
work to digest. If I’ve
accomplished anything with my fiction courses, it’s to boil Swain down
to the essence.
WhereTheMapEnds:
What’s the best part about writing and publishing Christian
speculative fiction?
Randall Ingermanson: Anyone who
writes in this genre is a pioneer, and that’s always exciting. The rules
are fuzzy and indistinct right now, and anyone who writes in this genre
gets to make the rules. So go to it!
WhereTheMapEnds: What writing
project(s) are you working on now?
Randall Ingermanson: I’m writing a
proposal for a serial killer story set in first-century Jerusalem, about
the year A.D. 30. I would like to focus on historical suspense novels with
supernatural elements for the immediate future.
I should mention that I had
a bit of fun in March of this year because I found an opportunity to make
a small contribution to the world of New
Testament era archaeology:
Most everybody has heard of the
alleged “Jesus family tomb.” In March 2007, the Discovery channel ran a
“documentary” by Simcha Jacobovici and James Cameron alleging that the
family tomb of Jesus had been found in Jerusalem, with bone boxes carrying
the names of “Jesus son of Joseph,” “Mary,” “Mary Magdalene,” “Yosi,”
“Matthew,” and most explosively, “Judah son of
Jesus.”
The documentary people hired
a statistician who claimed to show that the odds of this tomb in favor of
this being the real tomb of Jesus of Nazareth were 600 to 1. Naturally, a
few people were upset, but nobody seemed to know how to deal with those
odds. So I talked to my friends in the world of Biblical scholarship and did some
calculations and wrote an article showing that the odds were actually quite
strongly against this being the tomb of
Jesus.
I didn’t see any reason to bring in a “faith element”
to the argument. What I showed was that solid mathematical reasoning alone
made this tomb a long-shot. I wrote two articles, and the second one
(coauthored with Jay Cost, a grad student at the University of Chicago)
really destroyed any hope of the tomb-sayers being right. Here’s a link
to
that article.
That was very satisfying—to
apply my math skills to a question that bears on the faith of millions of
Christians. It was also kind of fun to discuss the issue with a number of
New Testament scholars who called
or emailed me after reading my articles.
So I’ve
been thinking lately about what other problems in New Testament Studies a
mathematician might be able to work on. And I’ve come up with a couple of
promising ideas. I don’t want to tell you what they are just yet, because
it’s all rather speculative at the moment and there’s no point in creating
false hopes. I will say only that I’ve worked a bit on the
easiest problem to see if it’s doable. I’ve written a computer
program that can solve a certain type of problem and have tested it with
some sample data. So far, it looks very promising.
It remains to be seen
whether any of these ideas will actually work. If they do, then it will be
possible to solve problems that are 2,000 years old. I’ll say straight off
that I’m not smart enough to solve them myself. If they can be solved,
it’s only by applying the power of modern
computers. Luckily, I have a certain talent for writing scientific
software.
WhereTheMapEnds:
My goodness, that sounds
cool. Oh, I know; you're calculating how many dinosaurs could've fit on
the Ark, aren't you? Knew it! Okay, so, what’s the best
speculative story (Christian or secular, book or otherwise)
you’ve encountered lately?
Randall Ingermanson: Harry Potter.
I’m glad to see that the cries of outrage against Harry by certain
Christians has died down. It got rather embarrassing there for awhile. By
now, it should be obvious to everyone that there are some strong Christian themes in the Potter
series. I detected them in
Book 1 and I was sure of them by Book 4. They’re flat out obvious in Book 7.
WhereTheMapEnds: What else would you
like to say to the readers of WhereTheMapEnds.com?
Randall
Ingermanson: Just this: Never let anyone tell you that you can’t
write a particular type of book. That is plain bull. The boring people are
in the middle of the herd. The real excitement happens at the edges—where
that pesky map ends. Go there! Do the exciting stuff that you dream about.
If somebody tells you your work won’t sell or nobody will want them read
it, tell them to take a long walk off a short pier. If you don’t write it,
nobody else will, ever. So write it.
Now.
That's all for this
time
What a wonderful
interview, huh? Thanks again to Randall Ingermanson. Be sure to
visit Randy
online.
If you missed the previous
months' interviews with other speculative authors, including Frank Peretti, Jerry Jenkins, Karen
Hancock, Tosca Lee, and Ted Dekker, you can
read them
here.
And be sure to come back next month for an
interview with another mover and shaker in the world of Christian
speculative fiction.
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